First of all, Optigon,
thank you for re-create Wings3D with all your work,
but specially Tweak (now with the "how do a live without it before" Tools | Magnet Mask):
thanks.
The main aspect in which i think Tweak could evolute
is to going beyond to be a exclusive manipulation tool and offers some ability to CREATE new geometry.
I really miss a way to just drag selection(s) extruding it and
keeping Magnet on/off.
Certainly there could be another ways to create new masses since an original one,
but the first one that came to my mind is to Extrude selections
and continue with adjustments Tweak routine.
To this i imagine to add an option to drag function (L mouse button) at Tweak mode.
Today (starting with a selection) if you hold first CTRL and then drag
this is = to deselect elements interactively.
Would it be possible to invert this order adding another CTRL key behaviour
(hold first L mouse button - indicating you'are about to drag - and just then call CTRL by holding it)
so that the user could extrude new geometry from the original one
(keeping magnet on/off)?
Thanks for your precious attention, Optigon.
Tweak add-ons asking for
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(05/07/09 16:47:27) |
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(05/09/09 09:22:45) |
I agree with Fonte Boa, from start to finish of his post. Such a feature would make the creation of new geometry quick and smooth.
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(05/09/09 10:35:16) |
But magnet plus extrude wouldn't work
Because the new geometry has the same coordinates as the original selection, the magnet influence on both would be the same. So the newly extruded part and the original selection would be dragged together. Without the magnet, yes it would work. But you can hotkey Extrude and use it within tweak. |
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(05/09/09 13:35:48) |
<<the new geometry has the same coordinates as the original
selection>>
Probably i am missing something and cant question your argument,
I made a "simulation" to illustrate how the tool could work
Thank you very much for your precious attention, optigon!
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(05/09/09 14:24:36) |
Well it turns out tweak magnets work differently than the regular wings magnets.. What I said holds true for them.
But I still think the way you did the sim is fine Extrude and then drag.
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(05/09/09 17:34:55) |
<<Extrude and then drag>>
To say the truth i used Inset LMB and then drag with Magnet on ....... <<tweak magnets work differently than the regular wings magnets>> maybe just to create new geometry from any start existing one. 
as Tweak is a very instant way to modelling any chance to incorporate a interactive routine to generate mass from an initial model could maybe be considered... ........ Trying to abreviate that workflow (i should call Extrude or Inset just to then drag it with magnet on at tweak mode so i wished to experiment the worflow with "Ctrl+LMB click"=Default Command): I would like to report, optigon, that the Default Command can not be called (by "Ctrl+LMB click") at Tweak mode... (i hope there is no incompatibility with Tweak code) thanks for your attention. |
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(05/10/09 13:19:57) |
<<But magnet plus extrude wouldn't work>> this is why Extrude with vector option wasnt implemented out Tweak mode? |
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(05/10/09 19:09:28) |
Fonte Boa wrote: Yes. Because regular wings magnets determine the influence of the magnet based on the distance of the surrounding vertices form the selection. So because the new geometry created by using extrude is directly adjacent to the original selection, it would have the full influence of the magnet and move with the original selection. |
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(06/29/09 16:32:27) |
Tweak|Slide edge(s) is really a powerful Wings3d tool!
Unfortunately, Tweak|Slide edge(s) just work with multiple selections
It would really be very useful for intense organic work if it was possible Tweak|Slide a single edge
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(06/30/09 04:24:58) |
A video showing how powerful is Tweak|Slide edges tool.
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(06/30/09 20:36:07) |
I'll be doing some work on Tweak again soon and try to address this and other issues that have been mentioned in the last bit.
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(07/03/09 08:43:36) |
Okay, I've fixed Tweak Slide. Thanks for the report Fonte Boa.
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(07/03/09 09:57:42) |
Thank you very much, optigon!
ps: nice to see that the user can still hit [2] and [3] keys (twice) at Tweak mode to divide edges
do you have idea about the next snapshot?
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07/03/09 10:02:52.
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(07/03/09 10:05:22) |
<< nice to see that the user can still hit [2] and [3] keys (twice) at Tweak mode to divide edges >>
Yeah.. that wasn't intentional :P But I don't see anything wrong with keeping that behaviour
Thanks for your continued support in the testing department. |
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(07/03/09 10:21:55) |
<<Thanks for your continued support in the testing department.>> Testing and dreaming and "asking for" department, dear optigon!
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(07/16/09 13:26:32) |
(i've already posted this at wings wants session, but as i am not sure if optigon and dgud really take a look at there, i am repeating this here: excuse me paul for the inconvenience, please remove from there what you consider wrong, ok?) I am not sure an user very interested in "visual" wings implementations:
Note that there is a great circle indicating the tweak tool area (as there is at Wings, the blue circles).
http://www.n-sided.com/3D/video.php?video=sculpt.flv&origine=quidam.php?rub=1 (sorry again to post this twice: just to dont lost the idea, since it is hard to be put at paul wings wants list...) |
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(07/16/09 16:43:54) |
(yet about wings3d dynamic magnet visualization)
dinamic magnet blue circles can be changed? (a) could it be visible just at that area over the geometry (no visibility against the background), clipping the back scene? (b) could it reveal/put in evidence just the edges which color is set to (black?), turning them white, and yet darking the faces (to increase the contrast)? (*) in other words: enterely transparent (or almost) and able to contrast the object surface just by inverting edges color and darking faces color
since proxy mode module is being developted maybe an option to set cage color could be set to help construct a new Tweak Magnet visualization thanks for all team.
(*) (remember a difference layer in photoshop)
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