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Fonte Boa	Magnet: masking areas	Lead	[-]
(12/02/08 02:57:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Optigon, as you already know, at tweak mode, if i select element(s) and use tweak magnet on it, i dont have how to avoid to deform neighbour elements: i would like to be able to define an area under its influence. Under certain aspects, it seems this is related to "mask areas" idea. For example: if i want to tweak magnet a hand finger, it would really cool if i could "isolate" that finger so that the other ones wouldnt be affected by the operation. The last time you mentioned this possibility, you was studying how to improve a percentage influence of the masked area over the geometry around it. This add-on would be a great step to tweak history. Nowadays it is already possible to make multiple selections, but tweak magnet influence around it is yet enterely free. I dont know what workflow you imagine but wouldnt it be possible to implement this? (a) select an area and store it as "masked" (b) deselect all (c) select an element (or a multiple ones) inside masked area (d) tweak magnet the (c) selection and no elements out (a) defined area wouldnt be affected. What do you think about this? Thanks in advance, Optigon. Last Edited By: Fonte Boa 12/04/08 09:35:27. Edited 3 times.
optigon		#1	[-]
(12/02/08 09:06:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Locking vertices in itself shouldn't be too hard, especially for a contained tool like tweak. My concern however is locking vertices for the regular wings tools as well... I think I still have some code somewhere that does this... But yeah, I have been busy with other features and have to get back into the mind set for making masking a reality. 1. I think it is only necessary to lock vertices against the affect of magnets. 2. Select vertices that are saved as Locked, I think should be considered unlocked. 3. The hardest part for me.. Displaying locked verts in another colour.. and possibly as a colour range depending on the lockedness(?) of the particular vertex. I would like to do this, but have yet had a chance to absorb the ogl code necessary. The workflow would likely be as you describe unless I make a paint tool that increases/decreases the lockedness of any vertex you pass over vertex. I have some bugs to fix first before I start in on this too. But keep posting your ideas, it is good to have them all out on the floor before I start putting it together
Fonte Boa		#2	[-]
(12/02/08 09:22:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just a curiosity: why do you have to code this to work with "vertices" and not with other elements, like "faces", for example? thanks in advance.
optigon		#3	[-]
(12/02/08 09:42:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	At the code level it will be vertices. At the user level all elements could be selectable. A face for example, is still defined by vertices. Object mode would be out though, since locking an object is already possible.
Fonte Boa		#4	[-]
(12/02/08 12:17:03) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	<<The hardest part for me.. Displaying locked verts in another colour.. and possibly as a colour range depending on the lockedness(?) of the particular vertex. I would like to do this, but have yet had a chance to absorb the ogl code necessary>> You know i am not a coder. You made me remember the unfinished Moth work to a Wings Rigging plugin. At the time he was coding here at forum ( http://nendowingsmirai.yu...mation-Plugin.html?page=1 ), he had the same need you mentioned: display some elements (specially vertex and "nodes"/"joints") in another colour, even in a colour range. Take a look at some pics he posted at that time: I know it is very different that what you intend, but maybe some parts of the code used to do that can be useful to you. If not, just disconsider please. I cant do anything real to help, but i remember that and here there is the code that survived from that thread (the other links found at link above are broken): http://www.geocities.com/clubycoder/wpc_rig_anim.txt http://giniu.ravenlord.ws...ngs/Moth/wpc_rig_anim.erl (both of them have terms like "gl:vertex", "gl:colors", "influence", etc, that seems be useful...) I hope all this can be useful... Thanks for your attention and your last explanation.
GetaVe		#5	[-]
(12/02/08 13:06:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have just read through this thread really quickly but my initial ideas on how to display locked segments would be to simply grey them out at the face/vertex level. I think sticking to what works in other programs, re Zbrush and the like, would probably be the best bet. Or perhaps it is not the best idea but the most used hence the most familiar. shrug To be honest upon further thought this is actually an interesting conundrum. Hmm
optigon		#6	[-]
(12/02/08 13:09:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Actually, that code may help I have a copy here so I'll have to look see. Thanks
Fonte Boa	Select \| Lock Unselected	#7	[-]
(12/03/08 13:11:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	<<1. I think it is only necessary to lock vertices against the affect of magnets. 2. Select vertices that are saved as Locked, I think should be considered unlocked.>> Nowadays Wings3D has the command Select \| Lock Unselected, but it just works to entire Objects, even if you are at v, e or f modes. Maybe Optigon could code this command to work properly at those modes (masking unselected elements) and use it to mask areas which vertices wouldnt be affected by any Wings commands/magnets. If so, the Geometry Graph padlocks should work just to lock entire objects and would not be associated to Select \| Lock Unselected. By other side, it would be cool if the user could mask/unmask elements directely, just clicking on it or selecting/unselecting them (adding or subtracting elements to/from that area), without have to call any upper menu command ("select\|lock unselected", for example): maybe an auxiliar key to do this? or even that aditional brush Optigon mentioned he could create to increase/decrease the vertex "lockdeness"? i really dont know... <<Select vertices that are saved as Locked, I think should be considered unlocked>> Do you mean it would be possible to select locked elements, for example, to indicate Vector points/axis or Magnets outer boundaries? If so, i think this is very useful. Tks for your attention. Last Edited By: Fonte Boa 12/03/08 13:22:24. Edited 2 times.
optigon		#8	[-]
(12/03/08 15:17:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	<< <<Select vertices that are saved as Locked, I think should be considered unlocked>> Do you mean it would be possible to select locked elements, for example, to indicate Vector points/axis or Magnets outer boundaries? If so, i think this is very useful. >> Sorry about that ill formed sentence... What I envision is that vertices, locked or not, will be selectable. And if the a locked vertex is selected, it will not be considered locked for that particular operation. The only thing that will have no effect on a locked vertex is magnet influence. I think this makes sense, because if you don't want a regular operation, like Move, to have an effect on a vertex, then you just don't select it. It is the vertices chosen by the magnet which the user currently has no control over, and that is what this feature will endeavour to amend.
marcin wuu		#9	[-]
(12/04/08 00:11:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I agree with you with one difference - i would like the locked verts to be nonselectable with marquees and paint selection if started from an unlocked vert. But if you will just make it locked from magnets i'll be happy too.
optigon		#10	[-]
(12/04/08 07:37:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	<< I agree with you with one difference - i would like the locked verts to be nonselectable with marquees and paint selection if started from an unlocked vert. But if you will just make it locked from magnets i'll be happy too. >> This might be possible. We'll see.
Fonte Boa		#11	[-]
(12/19/08 06:42:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Probably it would be convenient to have an option to apply magnet over the masked area OR over the unmasked area, without have to redefined the masked area again. Optigon, isnt it already possible give us a pre-release at which the user could restrict the magnet influence to a multiple selection? Thanks for your attention. PS: nice to see you could glad Maya camera users with the mmb selection.
marcin wuu		#12	[-]
(12/19/08 10:37:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Optigon is on vacation without access to the net - we need to practice our patience for now
optigon		#13	[-]
(04/01/09 08:25:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just to say... I've got the gl stuff down (enough for this plugin anyway), but I'm still working on the some of the details like saving/reloading locked verts and tweak mode compatibility. However, the work I'm doing isn't just for this plugin. I'm extending wings' plugin interface to allow items to be added to the #dlo (the wings draw list) from the #pst (plugin state data tree). Plugin flags will tell wings to draw things, not in a separate window (like tweak, connect, or auv), but in the main geometry window, as part of the dlo. This means people could add drawable items with little to no changes to the wings core. It may never be used, but it'll be there :P
Fonte Boa		#14	[-]
(04/01/09 14:48:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	<<saving/reloading locked verts and tweak mode compatibility>> I would love to experiment this, Optigon! Thank you so much. off topic: maybe something about the possibility of "slide an edge loop copy" (like Contour/Inset but to work with edges)?!
optigon		#15	[-]
(04/02/09 09:27:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've completed the changes and you will be able to experiment very soon... but I will have to build a release because the changes are too extensive/experimental to release as a plugin. I will try and build a release, but I may need Scorpius' help, since I have never succeeded in getting an installer to work But I'll try
optigon		#16	[-]
(04/05/09 10:52:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well I tried several times to no avail Its is shame too, cause I've always wanted to make an installer. So I committed the code to the repo and there it will stay until someone who knows how to build an installer releases it to the public I get stuck on the fbx build, so I end up skipping it by commenting out the code in the makefile. Then I can build the installer without errors, and it installs wings properly. However, when I try and launch wings it crashes or hangs and I have to force quit. Sometimes I get an error from the wings_text.erl about font size and an "undefined window". If anyone could help I'd appreciate it optigon
Fonte Boa		#17	[-]
(04/06/09 07:23:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What does it mean, optigon? All your recent work wont be present at the next release?
optigon		#18	[-]
(04/10/09 08:52:54) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	No worries, the changes will be included in the next release
Fonte Boa		#19	[-]
(04/12/09 15:09:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just to say: modeling by Tweak masking areas is really strong, funny and consistent as a dream... 0.99.54 is an historical Wings3D release: thanks for it, optigon!
Ran13		#20	[-]
(04/13/09 07:20:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This made it into .54!?!?! Whoa... coolness! I guess I need to model something ...

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