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wasamonkey- If I was stuck on an island with only one 3D modeling app and had a choice between $150 Silo and $1000 Modo, Id take Silo with no hesitation. Although Modo has some very impressive features, especialy in its UI, it lacks heavily in basic workflow and modeling tools. Silo might have its bugs, but when it comes to giving you full multi-itteration sub-D modeling with the most intiutive UI possible, nothing comes close to Silo, not Max, not Maya, not Modo. I cant believe that schools, not just art schools but even high schools start out kids with Max and Maya, no doubt they both have some very good modeling features, but they also have a lot things that are very backwards and quirky and yet remain because that is the accepted way of modeling with those apps. Wings is very good for someone new to 3D as it is also very intuitive and easy to learn. But once youve gotten past the point where you are no longer just messing around with 3D and really want to learn it on a professional level, then the complexity of Wings advanced tools make it an app only for the experienced. Wings is great, it has power you never outgrow. But Silo will get someone learning advanced modeling faster and produce 3D work faster and more efficiently that Max, Maya and Modo. You just cant go wrong on Silo.

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I remember when the wings forum was plagued by user complaints about no activity and wings being dead. It sucks as a dev to read that stuff because all it contributes to is an ever expanding hole of negativity in the community.

Whoa! Whoa! , hold on everyone. Im not trying to say that Silo is better than Wings, quite the opposite. My point was to say that we are not doing a service to the cg community by saying that there is no need for Silo because Wings is all you need. I thought my post was clear about that, obviously its not. Both Wings and Silo are used by industry professionals, and those professionals swear by both these apps. Ive never heard anyone complain that Wings would be better if it was more like Silo. Wings doesnt need single sided faces to get better, it doesnt need mulitiple sub-Ds to get better, it works best the way it is. Bjorn and the team keeping thinking up an un-ending number of new features for Wings to keep making it better, but its overall design hasnt changed in the 5 years Ive used it. What Im trying to say is that Silo and Wings compliment eachother well. We live in a world where Max and Maya completely dominate both professional and amateur modeling, and thats a shame because people just accept the workflow of those apps as being best and it really holds back the cg software industry as a whole from improving. If I was in a school and they asked me which software to use to start out kids learning 3D, I would say Silo, because the modeling tools in Maya and Max are very backwards and counter-intuitive. If I was at a dinner party and someone wanted me to show their kids how 3D works, I would of course use Wings because Wings is even more intuitive than Silo in the beginning phase of learning 3D.

pp- I'll admit Im too lazy to take the time to learn Wings advanced features. It would be great if I could go to the UK and we could sit down in a pub with a laptop and you could give me a quick overview of how to use Wings to its full potential. But unfortunately I dont travel much, and so that is extremely unlikely to happen.